The Epitome Of Perfection In Teenage Naivety.

Tuesday, January 23, 2007

The Good Salesman.

"In de icker iz eir zol learnen torah" And with that parting message the teacher left the classroom. That is the sentence that is the bottom of the page of so many Sem girls notes. One would think that in England especially when a girl is the finale years of the ALL the education she is going to receive, the parting words of Shiur should not be something slightly more substantial than that.

When will they see that girls of today need more of an education? That telling them that Torah is the be all and end all of it, is like denying them air to breath. They get married and when there husbands don’t go to Daven 3 times a day they panic? When will these girls realizes that there are some monsters in the world? When they are packed in a 1 bed room flat in the center of the hill?

I may be bitter… who knows. I may have seen my fair share of abuse and suffering. But does my daughter have to see it too. We can not protect our beautiful princess for ever. One day you have to cut of the apron strings and close the door of the house? But the question is, do we also have to close the doors of our heart?

Say what you may, we both know that the divorce rate is souring. In our small knit community, where everyone knows exactly what and where you go, we deny our daughters the right to know what marriage brings. If a 17 year old girl is getting engaged, does she not have the right to have some lessons before hand that boys are different to you? That among the fairy tale and glamour there is such a thing as a man hitting his wife?

Fine you’ve managed to put it into her head that this is the one for her and all the more laughable is that she has also chosen him….. Has she really?!!! It reminds me of the time the sale lady tried to sell me a sweater. First she laid it against me; she examined how beautiful the color looks against my skin. Then she went into the fine qualities of the store. How they only use the highest quality of wools for there products and so she went on.

So too YOU, first you showed your daughter how beautiful she will look in the white dress, with the Sheitle beautiful styled to perfection. Then you went into the fine qualities of the boy. How boys from that yeshiva or family are the finest. After all the Chinuch is impeccable, what else can go wrong?. And then we let her 'try' it on. In a 2 hour meeting? The question remains…. Do we ever look into that particular sweater? To see if that one perhaps has a few stitches out of place. A temper perhaps? Or a fondness for trips to Vages?

No. We are so over whelmed by the 'family' or the 'yeshiva'. Or in some cases the changes that the boy has supposing made, that we forget to look at the label too. Handel with care. Or if placed in the washing machine may shrink. How many of these boys will shrink under pressure?

What happens once you’ve passed the honey moon stage? Then what? When the true colors do come out? Are we girls really equipped for the 'shrinkage?

32 Comments:

  • this isnt so much about a 'learning boy' as it is about yichus. a rebbishe einikel? CANT be that he is anything less than a tzadik.. and then theres that 1 out of ten 'tadikim' who put their young wives through hell.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 8:16 AM  

  • If anyone ever says the sweater is the best you will ever find, it is the only thing you will ever need and that it is simply perfect, surely you would not agree with them. Always know that nothing is ever perfect.
    But it is not an overnight change - that is what kalla classes are for (ok, they may leave out the reality of abuse but will/should warn of the reality of life).

    By Blogger Karl, at 11:54 AM  

  • couldn't agree with u more girlie
    the whole yichus thing for a start is so out of order, just b/c the family has yichus that means every single child coming out of there is perfect?!
    And the 2hour dates with the parents listening behind the door?? How can you know someone from 2 hours? yes ur parents may have looked into him but as we all know, friends and relatives dont always say the complete truth...but on the other hand do we really know someone even if we have known them for a long time? i dont know anymore.
    Its a scary world out there and sometimes i feel like i want a handbook to guide me step by step.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 6:30 AM  

  • So so so true.

    The education starts from a young age and these girls learn to value yichus, learning etc.

    Yet there is so much more to life than that. They marry the guy and live with him for G-d sake - can't someone have the decency to make them realise their choice so that they can choose well and prepare themselves???????????

    Btw well said... your posts are missed here...

    By Blogger exsemgirl, at 8:31 AM  

  • No idea where u ppl have fallen from (The Hill isnt really that hilly :-P) but from what i know and see, most parents will move mountains and split seas digging up info on the boys middos, character, frumkeit or suitability for their daughter... the yichus thing is what interests them INITIALLY.. and THEN they get going....

    By Anonymous Senorita, at 5:23 PM  

  • Hi
    I could`nt disagree with you more.

    I had the 'pleasure' of 'growing up' in Stamford Hill.

    I was rehabilitated. (Not in a good way.)

    Firstly let me say that I`ve found the Shidduch system to be much competent than meeting ones other half elswhere.

    For one thing, generally, when a boy and girl meet through other means, they know next to nothing about each other when they start dating, and as time goes on and they find out more things, and often extremely negative things, about the otherone, which the shidduch system does make sure to find out, it is very difficult to break off the relationship wether for emotional reasons or otherwise.

    Every person has 'some' negative elements which if they are disclosed, practically makes any sort of dating bankrupt.

    About the Yichus thing, I have never been into chassidus so please dont get me started (if you are going to ask me about that).


    Take it easy people.

    By Anonymous Heimishe, at 8:01 AM  

  • So glad to see you're back...but depressed to see that this is what you have to say.

    It is 100% true that there are abusive husbands waiting for decent girls in a minority of cases. But be fair, it is only a very small proportion and it is just the same in all sections of society.

    You also overlook the fact that there are also plenty of unsuitable girls foisted upon decent guys - there are crazy girls, lazy girls, self harming girls, frigid girls (plenty!), scruffy girls, inconsiderate girls etc etc. So don't make out that only the men can be rotten - it just isn't that simple.

    On the other hand, I do agree that many are sold the idea of marriage and the partner is just roped in to fill the gap. But again, go round Wood Green and you'll see plenty of goyim whose relationships are just lonliness - avoidance measures, devoid of real feeling or emotion.

    I also see your point that yichus is overstressed when personal qualities are what really count. I also accept that in a closed community, abuse of all types is likely to be covered up rather han dealt with - but I still say that you are ignoring many real issues and concentrating only on what affects you directly.

    Wifebeaters aside - and I know it happens - please spare a tear for the boys. Very many rebbes and fathers still hit their kids as though it were the Dark Ages and I think this is one of the real diseases of "Heimish" life. Apart for the cruelty, it send kids off the derech and is simply ineffective in producing results. What about s-xual abuse? Hardly unknown, and again certainly not confined to female victims. And "education," for both genders,is mamish a leztzonus.

    On a different but connected note, I have begun to really resent the charity collectors who pester me for my hard earnt and less than plentiful gelt. I feel such a parasitical vibe when I even see them, yet I am beginning to realise they're not to blame. Think it over, they are forbidden to be educated to the point of being employable, forbidden to limit their families to a size they can cope with, forbidden to leave kolel for the workplace - it all points to their leaders being to blame.

    It's not easy - I still don't want to leave Charedi society altogether, but am majorly disillusioned with so much of it that I cannot just follow blindly. I think the solution is in taking responsibility for your own decisions re chinuch, family planning, parnossa etc. But as we all know, in N16 you better not get caught even thinking like that!!!

    So that's it - move to NW or be a secretly sane Satmar Hillbilly!

    Git Shabbos!

    By Anonymous Yitz, at 4:40 AM  

  • For the record - Kedassia Beis Din here in London stated that they average one Get a week. And between America, Israel, Belgium and London, Belium rates the highest in a get vs chareidi population ratio.

    By Blogger fluffykneidle, at 3:43 AM  

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    By Blogger jemima3, at 5:09 AM  

  • Wow what an unexpected treat, Girlsh. Your blog was blank for so long I gave up checking. Now I just surfed over to get your email address to send you a Purim card and I see you are back, B"H..

    I couldnt agree with you more, Girlsh..Its the fault of the high schools that indoctrinate these poor girls to only want a "designer name guy", and then when trhe novelty wears off often you are just left with an inferior product. Its very sad..

    By Blogger Semgirl, at 1:59 AM  

  • The purim miracle
    THE BIASED VERSION


    PLEASE CAN YOU BE SO KIND AS TO TOP UP THE PERSONAL CREDIT CARDS FOR MR AND MRS SCHAPIRO. WITH YOUR HELP THEY WILL BE’’H BE ABLE TO PAY FOR ALL THEIR HOUSEHPLD EXPENSES, INCLUDING SHOPPING AT KIDDIECHIC, LITTLE PEOPLE, HARRODS, A NEW CAR, ALL GROCERIES AND SCHOOL FEES. PLEASE DONATE TO THESE UNFORTUNATE PEOPLE WHO ARE IN DESPERATE NEED AND ARE RELYING ON YOUR GENEROSITY FOR THEIR SURVIVAL.

    Concerning this subject, we start being objective.

    Let’s take a look at what takes up Osher Schapiro’s precious time so that he can’t make his own living and has to rely on the charity of Stamford Hill.
    In ‘the Purim miracle’ (third appeal since last year Purim, hardly a miracle!) Osher schapiro claims to have found employment for ‘26 young men’ and placed another 10 into yeshivos. Between me and you, Osher hasn’t had that many passing his threshold, never mind being ‘settled’.
    The guy puts pictures of goyim in his plea. How dare he portray our youth that way, making people think they’re going round like hippies in Moundfield road?
    Believe me, if they’d want to dress like that they wouldn’t be within a mile of the hippie with the scraggly beard and sideburns.
    The guys in the picture are probably his builders, kindly paid by the generous yet unaware population.
    Then look at the many Rabbis he claims back him up. Some of them I know are sure to disapprove when seeing their names printed in support!
    The endless falsehood emanating from this appeal is enough to maker one sick.

    I actually know of quite a different story that occurred since last year Purim.
    Osher’s darling daughter has been involved with a little 13 yr old school boy. When she got tired of writing love-letters, her father’s harsh treatment, her Mother’s tears and being suspended from school, one of Osher’s close talmidim (and presumably his wife’s very close friend and confidant) decided to take pity. Out of great gratitude and kindness he felt towards the respected couple for ‘making him a respected mensh of the community’, he gently and softly dealt with the girl, until finally bringing her up to his inviting apartment and doing what was to be done. All this to an innocent naïve little girl who had no idea what the world is really about, done by a boy who she knew her parents trusted, and so followed suit, trusting him implicitly.
    Isn’t this the role of a parent, to show a child what’s good and bad and set them an example?
    So why does the unfortunate child have to find out that what’s good enough for her parents, what’s good enough for cool boys entering her house, is not good enough for her? Why indeed mustn’t she have a boyfriend? Trust the same person her parents trust? Do as she likes, as many people her father ‘loves’ seem to do?
    As far as I know much activity has been halted since last Purim at 17 Moundfield road. Osher’s social life had decreased dramatically as a result of everything that happened, and besides, a lot of time had to be devoted to ensuring that every person within the vicinity of his daughter, including her school, is blamed for his misfortunes. Everybody besides the girl’s revered parents.
    Isn’t it about time he realises what he’s doing? And sometimes not doing?
    Who is he helping in all this?
    I’m not going to go further. I’ll leave it up to the individual to rethink after reading the pre Purim plea. To wonder whose pocket the money is filling and who it’s helping.

    The only cause they could comfort themselves with is that maybe they’re paying for a shameful daughter banished to America, thrown around between family and unhappy in school.

    Sorry, forgot to mention that to his credit the great rabbi has made some extremely unsuitable matches. And they obviously didn’t last very long. Maybe we should donate the funds to the unfortunate victims of these matches, since we’ve already included his daughter who was matched up with M.S. The poor guy might very well be starving at this moment as a result of his cruel banishment of the Schapiro home!

    God bless Rabbi O?

    By Anonymous heimish, at 3:02 PM  

  • Do share what inspired you to write such an uplifting piece?!
    I couldve written one myself.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 3:18 PM  

  • sweetheart, this is the point- that you didnt write one yourself. everyone capable should really consider doing it

    By Anonymous heimish, at 8:36 PM  

  • Oh but darling,I didnt want to write a masterpiece such as yours- I wanted yours to shine out. and i also wanted to know what gave u the sudden verbal diahorea splurge.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 1:10 PM  

  • it was a moment of inspiration. as well as infuriation! i must say the dairrhea lasted a pretty long time. and it wasn't verbal- it was written. thanx for the boost anyway! im sure it does shine out

    By Anonymous heimish, at 1:11 AM  

  • Dude, what Im asking is what is ur story? U cant blast off a public outcry without giving ur story- what infuriation/inspiration fuelled it?

    By Anonymous the same anon, at 4:28 PM  

  • i leave that up to yourself to imagine. but if you've ever been close to the guy you'd know the story. he's a useless piece of garbage. believe me i have the right to say whatever the hell i like about this gangster. and he can't object cause deep down he knows what kinda life he's living

    By Anonymous heimish, at 5:38 PM  

  • I have been close to the guy.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 2:00 PM  

  • fine so im sure you know what im talking about. its gross isnt it? something crafty about the character. anyway, im getting bored of this- i gave my opinion and you either like it or lump it. the guy's a crook

    By Anonymous heimish, at 1:37 PM  

  • Heimish,
    I know that I am late but the time did not allow me to spend it online in the past couple of weeks,
    First of all I really hope that you are feeling better now and had a great peasach

    Going into what you wrote I was reading it and I must say that people out there in the Stamford hill world don’t know how much this family of Mr and Mrs Schapiro do for all of us in our community there is so much that not every one is involved this means that it did not get to your ear or to any of the other mikvah yidden so people don’t get to talk about that,
    What has happened to them in their family you are 100% right that Osher has a open door for any one to come in what does that make in a boys life knowing that this is a place where he can feel at home, this is a place where he can eat kosher food, this is a place where he might hear a “DEVAR TORAH” I really don’t know where you come from what kind of sad life you have been bought up as you sound to be really upset with life I don’t know how your family treated you but I do know how many that go to the Schapiro’s house are treated by there family asking any of them when you come home and your father turns round to you with a angry face for what ever the reason is does that make him feel great? I can tell you the answer for that will be a big NO it makes him feel sad unliked un appreciated un respected and so on, how many father out there when their kid go a little different to what they wanted the child to be the parents go all wild and don’t know how to treat their kid this what happened to them with their daughter how do you know if it was not some thing that needed to happen us Jewish people believe that every thing that happens is from G-D maybe because they take in boys into their house and they do take care of guys that are not religious but make them come to his warm house to eat a kosher meal or just to come there to farbreng what could of happened to that boy if they would of not been by Schapiro and I will tell you even more… I know some one that is welcome in their house with a similar problem to what they had with their daughter this kid did not feel right he was feeling that they don’t understand him enough since they had there own problem this boy feels that he now they understated him much more, we have seen many times G-D doing things that we don’t understand but there you go this boy was going thru what he did and ended up by Schapiro so that they should understand him G-D made them go thru this,
    What I cant understand is what makes you say that Schapiro has a open door for any one so the kids see what is going on there so what are you expecting… in the Stamford hill alone how many houses like Schapiro is there? And how many rebel boys and girls are there out there? Not every house that has a rebel is an open house so where do they take it from did you ever ask you self this? How come a bocher or a girl coming from a frum household where do they take the idea of glitching? ….. Ha? You can’t answer that can you?

    About the matchmaking a boy that comes in to Rabbi Schapiro does not need the help of a shaddchen to find him self what ever he thinks is right for him he is out there he finds him self in his own time when he feels ready he comes to say listen Rabbi this is the case and I am ready to go ahead so with all the warmth and love from Reb osher he gets him up to the father of the kid and explains what the situation is and it becomes under his name, sadly have you never heard how many out there get divorced this keeps on happening,

    To what was written above about this shiduchim and all I think the whole problem is a boy from yeshiva or a girl from school they don’t know what to look at in another person so of course if you come to a girl saying this bucher sits and learns and he has got the best mides and what ever else they put into her mind can I ask you where did you get the information from? Ha? Whom did you ask? Of course only people that will tell you oh yes every thing is ok he is a good boy and lovely and ales gits how many times would you get bad info on a shiduch that in the back of you’re mind you like the idea of being meshudech with this mechiten? If you like the name you don’t ask twice if you don’t like the name you will ask 100s of times did you think for a sec my daughter is the one that will need to live with this guy for the rest of her life not you with the mechiton you finished the wedding the sheva brachot who is going to be together? Hardly any of the shidduchim in Stamford hill are considered that way and of course for a chosid to get divorced is the worst thing (what is better fighting all the time) think about it… when a boy or a girl get to the age of 16 17 the have to get to know what married life is all about let them know what a woman means what living with a woman is all about (other then making kids) what to look into a woman if your open enough with your child what is it they want from life. Parents should be open to a child in this way as I find it really hard for kids when they know a lot sadly this is what a boy gets to know in yeshiva and he had got ideas that his parents are not aware of it so they don’t know them and then matches up the wrong thing

    Going back to what we spoke before

    Rabbi osher and his tzedikes wife are doing the right thing they should keep doing so lest hope that soon the parents would be smart enough and take advice on how to bring up a child that is not really going the way they want so there will be no need for all this but as long they are need they are doing an amazing thing there is always food for any one that is hungry there is always a warm welcome a shoulder to cry on a place to call home they are not doing anything wrong

    Bottom line the reason we are talking about this is because he is doing thing good and every one that does a good thing is spoken about I did not see much in blogs about many other people that I know how not? Because they don’t do anything so mr and Mrs Schapiro please keep up with your good work and take the critics as support to make you stronger knowing that you are doing the right thing, be proud and say
    ממני יראו וכן יעשו

    With G-Ds help you should be able in zechus of doing what you do that you should see lots of naches from all your kids one by one

    Sorry about my bad English but I think you my point

    And by the way most of the stories that people talk in shul or on the streets is not true and so is the one you wrote on your message,

    By Anonymous some one local, at 7:14 PM  

  • i'm sorry i didnt make myself clear. the story i mentioned was actually cynical- i know that what people talk about on the street is not true, as the case in this story. but since the rumours were spread by their daughter herself who was very uneducated and confused- a sore point mentioned in the above post, i think its time u think if the guy knows anything about chinuch. if she thinks that kissing somebody is having sex and then goes and spreads it around as well, something in her education is surely lacking. and if she would have recieved a hint of the 'love' you describe the boys recieve from her parents, it would have come to good use too, possibly preventing the entire chapter.
    I understand that people feel welcome in that house, but you would be surprised to know how many people feel unwelcome there. as soon as anything touches the guy personally- anyone in the vicinity gets blamed, spat on and gossiped about. as with shiduchim, i personally know of more than one case where he and his wife themself were the one suggesting the shidduch. i dont think any of those lasted. its obviously not possible to last if the guy making it doesnt have both sides in mind. as well as leaving some kovud for himself, we're not left with much reason for a succesful marriage. ''Doing good when you're stepping on other people's toes on the way is no good''.
    When M Margalit made shacharis and breakfast for young people with amazing succes, do you think the guy was happy, like he should be when 'his boys' are getting somewhere in spirituality as well as having a good time and enjoying themselves? By the amount he apparently cares for them, he shouldhave been thrilled! but no, he was actually upset about it. can you believe it? he was upset and angry that the boys were being treated by somebody else. What kind of care is this?
    its about time his narrow mind is widened a crack

    By Anonymous heimish, at 10:23 PM  

  • Basically their daughter not knowing the different between kissing and sex just shows you that even with all the boys coming into the house does not effect the kids because if other wise she should have known all that there was some one external that was telling her all about it and was trying to her down for a walk on that street and the other friend of hers does not have that much brains at all and we’ve heard of things like that already and instead of one of our best girls school beis malka dealing with it they leave it they don’t care but what can we do lest not go into that lane, the daughter nebuch got pulled down by some one and was telling her all about these things so yes why lot lest have fun so trying to get back on the route they have sent her away keeping her out of the sight from this friend and all one can do is hope with G-Ds help that things will get sorted out,

    All the kids in that house are loved one by one, every one that goes into that house sees it so I would say the only reason fro you saying this is or you never went into the house you just look from the outside you just hear what you want and don’t hear the truth and that is not your fault for being like that its just the way lots of people that don’t have better things in life then to think about others

    The problem with M & M was simple Reb Osher has been dealing with boys for a nice couple of years now when M had his down time in his life Reb Osh was there already and he was there to help Reb Osh got to know M and seen his way of going into things to be honest I was also not very keen about that minyan thing it was all with out a cheshben it can be proved “as you see nothing came out if” M likes to make things and it is very nice of him but he does not share things with other really and truly not very fair and whom he likes he treated one way and the others were backed off and that you don’t see by Reb Osher coming up with some thing you have to put your mind and soul into it to make sure it works and love every one the same where our dear friend M is not like that, and how many times did Reb Osher ask M lest work on that minyan and tried to give him a hand with things but nothing, so why would he not be angry? Knowing that his boys are going to end up in a disaster with M. simple like that,

    For the people feeling unwelcome is just their own problem that they don’t feel good going into a house with so much rebels Reb O and his wife do welcome every one their at any time and has no problem with any one what so ever coming into their house so if you feel unwelcome I am sorry but its your own fault for feeling so… as if you would try with another thought in your mind saying ok I am welcome knock on the door and tell me then how it felt, try it out and prove yourself,

    By Anonymous some one local, at 12:52 AM  

  • I have had connection with osher’s daughter, her school friend, plenty of the guys that enter that house- basically, whatever I know is from reliable sources. Let me tell you that what you’re saying is only a fib invented by osher himself. Any sexual knowledge that she has was gained streetwise, either from the boys in her house, or just slowly picking it up as she got older. I have researched into this claim of her friend being the cause for her knowledge or the lack of it and found that that wasn’t the case at all. She was actually trying to help by being very sensitive to Rivka’s needs and keeeping those subjects at a low profile. I guess its just another one of the symptoms when things touch the guy personally- blaming his troubles on everyone else. I do have immense pity on the scapegoats who have to suffer accusations just because they were available to be blamed. That includes M.S., who, contrary to public opinion, was actually trying to help the girl who WAS FEELING EXTREMELY UNLOVED BY HER PARENTS. All she was looking for was love. Maybe you want to blame that on somebody as well? Her friend, school, boys, classmates, neighbor, cousin, aunt? There is NOBODY to blame besides her parents themselves. I think we should start looking into being a bit smarter. By accepting some blame, maybe we can start believing the guy, but when everybody is blamed besides himself, we see that there’s a sickness involved that needs to be cured.
    As for the case of the minian, the reason why it had to stop was technical. I have heard really lovely feedback from the boys that joined it, they enjoyed it very much and are upset it had to be discontinued.. And don’t forget-‘ mitoch shelo lishmo, bo lishmo’ any guy that has attended this minian has gained, either now, or will in the future.
    The fact that the boys liked the minian is the biggest proof that it was good for them- they are the ones who needed to feel comfortable with M., not Osher. Maybe he isn't the best mechanech and doesn't always know whats good for eveyone. The boys themselves are the most reliable evidence you can get. The problem here is when your mixing your personal feelings and grudges into the wellfare of people who trust you unaware. From all the feedback it seemed that everybody was happy with the way M. was treating them, i don't know where your bringing the idea that they felt otherwise.

    By Anonymous Heimish, at 10:57 PM  

  • I see it that every family that the child does not go the same way its got to do with the parents that’s for sure and Reb Osher is not trying to avoid that problem by saying it was others that did it or trying to blame others for doing that, its just the case that Reb Osher did see the problem coming and he did try and help out the case but some times its just out of our hands there are many parents in Stamford hill and all over the world they will do every thing for their kids but still they fall out with them its not like its our own choice, there is nothing we can really do for that.

    I don’t know for which friend you are talking about that was trying to help her as yes there was a couple of friends trying to explain and help her that with those sexual knowledge that she has got does not mean that one needs to do and experiment right away on the other hand she had a friend that was telling her come here and come there and I will show you what to do and I have done this and that when she has never done it just to convince the Schapiro girl to do so, and at that time Reb Osher knew about it and was trying to deal with it speaking to head of the school talking to the right people but sadly that did not help… as no one knew how to deal with it and that is sad, and that friend I actually do know her for being up to no good like many other frummers around the hill doing things and then hiding it and those things that she was getting up was way more then trying to help some one,

    I cant recall any thing that Reb Osher blames others for things that go bad with him and if you are trying to say that he is blaming M&M he is hundred percent right for doing so… Reb Osher treats every one in his house the same way and every one knows that any one that’s walks in to that house with a willing feel them self good of course they can feel them self at home like no where else if you go in with a mind “oh I need to go in here again” or “lets go in to see how he will treat me” then of course you will find bad things when its 11pm and the kids are still down stairs when they should be sleeping by 10pm but here and there they stay up and so when some one comes in they will tell the child I told you so many times to go up you can look at it on two ways you can look at it saying that this guy just came in we know that he can talk certain things that its not good the kids / children should hear so they are sending him up at the same time you can look at it they don’t give the love for their kids and sending them up to leave them alone or what ever… I don’t know how much of a person you are in a way of parenting but it does not look like you know really how this is when you send your kids to sleep at 8 or 9 pm and couple of hours later they are still around how hard that is for parents when the next morning the child cant “nebuch” get out of bed because they went to sleep late, so its all up to you what you got in your mind to see in that house but from their end every one get treated the same way the door is always open and for every one on the other hand by M&M it was not really the same in their house of course when he needed minyen for davening oh yes every one was welcome so that he can move on with the minyen having 10 people but when it came to evenings to meals to party’s that’s where not every one was welcome there is 2 sides to look at this too but you cant come up saying listen boys come here a open house when in the other hand you know that you are not really welcome and only when they need you they call you, and they worked out for some parties to be at the same time or night as when Reb Osher makes his dinner on Tuesday or Thursday so the guys that were welcome at M&M went there all the others that were not welcome did not feel good for the minyen he calls them and for this not… so that’s not a fair deal… trying to be nice and be מקרב boys do it all the way…

    By Anonymous some one local, at 3:45 AM  

  • if what you are saying about m.'s attitude is true, i agree that you have a point. Treating everybody equal is extremely important.
    Just a short point: I know exactly which friend you are talking about and what you are saying about her is very very wrong. however accurate you might think your information is, let me tell you that its totally false. by now this girl has suffered from so much dirt put on her name and it hurts me to see that its still going on. in my opinion she was the best friend the girl could have. of course the friendship didn't turn out well on her side when family schapiro find her eligible for unheard of crimes...
    Brains? - she has plenty more than the Schapiro kid. and no, she doesn't always use them, to 'get up to' stuff

    By Anonymous heimish, at 9:18 AM  

  • heimish,
    so can you tell me please who is there the smarter one? and who is religiuos? and after all who is the loser?
    and i am not a person that would take a mikvah story and make it for real when i hear some thing or i just ignore it or i go and find out the root of it and for this case i did go all the way into it to see and find out what is true and what is not.
    there is no point of going into all this as we will never finish as we both can go on and on... its up to you. but i think that you will feel bad in the end, what i am trying to say is please before you talk... before you make statments please make sure you know what you are saying, and over all why do you need to be like all the stamford hillers that love to talk about others and never do any good be a little bit smarter then that and be a show of in 2 ways keep your self quite סיג לחכמה שתיקה or just understand that to every person there is a good and a bad side all i am asking from you is try and see the good side to every person i promis you it will make you feel so much better your hair wont get white that fast it will keep you younger and more healthy,

    i hope you did not take me wrong before about M&M i think he did a very good thing with the whole minyen and all... but he has to treat all the same i dont judge him being a bad person for that at all but i was just explaining there why Reb Osher was upset about all this

    no need to critic any of the עסקנים that are doing some thing in the היימישע ... קהילה as their are not many and the few that are dont need to suffer they need help and like this they will be able to make every one happy with the support from every single person and every kind of support helps

    וכל העוסקים בצרכי ציבור באמונה הקדוש ברוך הוא ישלם שכרם
    and trust me that שכר does not mean suffering..

    and if Reb Osher and his wife are that bad in this what they are doing then why did not any one the קהילה come up with a new idea of doing some thing.. so we must say that he is doing a good thing and he knows what he is doing and doing it right...

    ok so i shell wish you a great and happy summer and all the best

    By Anonymous some one local, at 10:49 AM  

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  • Speaking about matches that Rabbi O & Co. made that didn’t last; you guys make it sound as if loads of their matches failed when in fact its only “one” that didn’t last and despite what people say and gossip the reason why that marriage broke up is simply because of a rich & powerful lady who was very close to the husband before they got married was very jealous of the “new wife” so “she” made sure to break it up.

    That match was perfect and would have lasted forever!

    By Anonymous Mikvah News, at 2:53 PM  

  • There is some truth to what you have written but very little indeed. What is it you expect from a marriage?. The goal is a toradigeh home. It's our duty to support our husbands in bringing about just that. These silly and goyesheh notions of romance have no place in a yiddisch home. A husband does not have the right to strike his wife and the few instances when it did occur I understood that the pressures of life can get to a person and accepted it as something bashert. We learn about life as we live it, there is no instruction manual.

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